👋 Welcome back to Unapologetically Childfree™! In today’s milestone episode, I’m joined by Erika (she/they) and Kristen (she/her), the powerhouse duo behind the Dinky Podcast. These unhinged besties don’t shut the eff up about the DINK (Dual Income, No Kids) lifestyle—and we’re so glad they don’t! 💃🐾
🎧 Erika and Kristen originally launched Dinky to help Kristen decide whether to have kids. Fast forward to today, they’re both proudly childfree, living their best lives with their husbands, cats, and dogs in the beautiful Pacific Northwest 🌲🐶. With over 100k social media followers, their blend of humor, relatability, and advocacy has made them champions for the childfree community.
🔗 Highlights & Timestamps:
💡 [00:02:00] Meet Erika & Kristen: Their journey from navigating childfree decisions to becoming leading voices for the DINK lifestyle.
🤯 [00:10:30] The Post-Election Fallout: Processing the weight of activism, societal setbacks, and staying strong in uncertain times.
👯♀️ [00:20:15] Turning Online Friendships Into IRL Communities: How the childfree community excels at building genuine connections—and why it's more important than ever.
🐪 [00:50:45] Dinks Go to Egypt: Erika shares all about their upcoming group trip exploring pyramids, the Nile, and more!
✈️ 🛑 [01:12:00] Protect Your Peace: A heartfelt message from the Dinky duo on finding safe spaces and creating a life that feels truly your own 🫶🏼.
Why You Should Listen: This episode is packed with laughs, real talk, and actionable inspiration: Learn how Erika and Kristen turned their friendship and humor into a movement. Explore the power of activism and self-care in challenging times. Get tips on building and leaning on childfree communities. Dive into the DINK life, from financial freedom to global adventures.
About Our Guests: Erika (she/they) and Kristen (she/her) are the dynamic duo behind the wildly popular Dinky Podcast. Based in the Pacific Northwest, they explore the highs and hilarity of the childfree lifestyle, reaching over 100k followers across social media. Whether talking DINK finances, fur babies, or politics, they’re here to keep it real.
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dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Once every two weeks, she'll just go, like, I don't want to mimic it. You don't want me to mimic it, but she'll do sounds and we just pet her and we go, are you okay? And then she goes, yes. And then
we move on and everyone's You know. It's just,
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: that's what it is. You just say, all fall down, you're a fine, no big deal, and just move on,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: We're good. Treat it like a baby.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: the better version, right?
Hey, hey,
welcome back to Unapologetically Childfree™️ .
I'm Maggie Dickens, licensed therapist and your childfree hype woman. This is the place to find the childfree community that you never knew existed and now you can't live without, especially living without these two women that are with me today. We have Erika and Kristen podcast Dinky. If you're not listening, you should already be, but.
I'll link it in the show notes. Originally the pod was to help Kristen navigate whether to have kids. Now they are fully childfree living with their husbands, cats, and dogs in the Pacific Northwest. Very far from me. With over a hundred thousand followers across social media, they refer to themselves as unhinged besties who don't shut the F up about the dink lifestyle.
So. Welcome, welcome. Thank you so much for coming.
How often do y'all like switch off on who's managing? Because sometimes I can see on threads it's , it seems like y'all post at the same time and then sometimes Yeah.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yes. That. We have no set
schedule or rhyme
or reason. It's just whoever is in there at that
time, post sh*t.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: It's kind of our own personal accounts that we both share.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Basically.
I mean, we've,
I
don't think either of us have ever really aspired to be Public figures.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Mm hmm.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I'd actually rather post to strangers than to people I know. , I'm mortified when people I know, , come up to me and they're like, Oh, I saw you on
my For You page. I'm , No, do not
tell me this. I don't want
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Mm mm. Just make an emoji of yourself or, , an AI version of you and then you can be faceless and it'll be fine. Mm hmm.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: you know, like, Sia, wear a wig and no one will know. Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: since as far as I can remember because I'm, my day job is a relationship coach and therapist. So like, nah dude, ,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: we're not letting
that get out. Separation. Yep.
yeah, so.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: that makes sense.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Welcome.
You are now public figures, at least in the childfree
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Thank you.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: which is,
which is getting bigger.
Well, we have a lot to talk about, or a lot to process, however you want to think about it. So, I, this is just a couple days past U. S. election, and I have kind of been recoiling from social media, kind of just staying off the news, all of those things.
So, How have y'all been taking the information? What have y'all been doing just to be sitting upright at the moment?
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah,
I mean, it's been rough. It's been a whirlwind of emotions. I think like a lot of people are feeling like it doesn't feel real in a lot of ways. It's hard to grapple with how our society would vote this way. After everything we've experienced over the past nine years, it feels like a personal affront.
I think we're both , Feeling afraid, scared for our safety,
, wondering what comes next. And I mean, we're getting hundreds of DMs from people every day saying that they're considering a BISALP, or they're thinking about leaving the country, or they're wondering how, you know, changes to our healthcare policy might influence their access to not only abortion, but, you know, birth control.
It's such a slew of things, you know? And so it's You know, we're taking in our own feelings, and then the feelings of so many other people, and It's a rollercoaster, you know? I feel like Kristen is on the other half of my text thread, just taking in my stream of consciousness every day, being like, okay, let's, let's leave the United States.
No, let's stay and fight. Let's do this. Let's do that. And it's just every day, hour by hour, it's , just trying to process what's going on and what that means for us as content and childfree people. And, Yeah, it's, it's been heavy.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah, it's been very heavy. Kristen, how's it been on your end? Mm hmm. Mm
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I delayed, , thinking about what could happen, quite frankly, with the election. I kind of was, like, hoping for the best, but also, You know, nobody knew and when it happened so quickly and was such a, a closeout election, I think we were all just
shocked. You know, I brought over champagne I did fricking 2016
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Such a
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: celebrate the first woman president.
I had it all ready to go. And once again, you're. Left wondering what the hell is wrong with 50 percent of America, , and the distrust that I think has been settling in. To a lot of people, but particularly for me, about the distrust towards my neighbors, towards my community, towards everyday people that I used to give the benefit of the doubt to, to assume that they were a rational, good person. And now, wondering, am I safe here? Am I safe to keep up my Harris, flag in the front of my
house? Is that going to put a mark on my back? We're just thinking about all case scenarios because we don't know how far this is going to go. I think Erika and I in particular have been oscillating between , doomsday, worst case scenario, what does that look like, for America and for us personally, and then, you know, on the other side of the coin trying to, Hope for the best and hope that this is something that is manageable and kind of returns to maybe some kind of normalcy after the presidency, but, you know, nobody knows what's going to happen and I think we're all unfortunately pessimistic at this point and just trying to prepare for that.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: so interesting that you talk about, , feeling a little bit of that pessimism because some of my DMs have been people from Canada and Australia and having all of this hope and sending the fighter vibes and keep pushing and things will get better and I'm sitting here like, thanks for having the optimism, I can't have.
I, I just, I, I We're here, again, and I just, I don't live in the States, but I'm a citizen. I have, you know, a stake in what happens to the U. S. and we also know it's going to affect the rest of the world.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: it's just, sometimes it feels like too much. Yeah. Yeah.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean, I think the other thing that has been alarming to us is, you know, we know, we've known for some time that there are people with different political views from us in our community, and we've tried to not rock that boat too hard. But obviously, over the past couple days as we've been processing and wondering what it means as childfree content creators we've been posting a lot more and we've gotten some really shocking comments we've lost a couple hundred followers which I don't care about the followers it's just a number it's more so just surprising to me that in this community people still don't understand how important as women our bodily autonomy is and that if that's taken away from us. It is no longer a choice to be childfree, , you can try, but that doesn't guarantee anything. And this isn't just about abortion, this is about our access to birth control, our access to reproductive health. And so I just think as a community, , the childfree girlie's gotta stand up and be, I think, more loud consistently about the threats to our health when people Make this a political
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah, I, , for me, seeing the comments and getting the DMs and the you know, the unfollows and all of that, I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, one of the biggest conversations in the childfree space, aside from choosing not to have children, is choosing to embrace a life that each person wants themselves, right?
That, that, it's not even bodily autonomy, it's just Autonomy, to make your own effing decisions of where do you want to live, where do you want to go to school, you know, those kinds of things instead of my big fear is especially what happened a few years ago with the overturning of Roe, how that was a, that law was a privacy law, .
How many of my clients I say, get off the period tracker apps, turn off, writing in your digital calendar, start a period today. , this is so scary of just how invasive people are going to get into specifically women's lives. Or I guess anyone other than a rich white man's life.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean, it's funny too, Kristen and I were just talking about this last night. We forget even now, even though we've only been doing the podcast for two and a half years, that Roe was actually a big marker of us starting the podcast. We were kind of like, We had thought to do the podcast and we were trying to put some materials together but after Roe was overturned that was really the instigator for us to be like no we gotta do this faster and this is such an important conversation and yeah it's just shocking two and a half years later to be wow we've really gone
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I, I didn't know that, but I mean, the
timing makes sense. I didn't know that. I know a lot of people started being louder. It felt people were being louder about their choice after
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I think I Erika opened up our first series premiere episode with a monologue about the overturning of Roe v. Wade and Anyway, it's just crazy to think about that that was our first episode and we, and we expedited all our episodes to launch around that time to get, get our voice heard.
And it's just, wow. Crazy to think what has happened between now and then. yea.
To go to your point Erika.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: about being in the childfree space, I always think of the community as like, It's, it feels like home, it feels comfortable, it has felt safe to sometimes say what, to say inappropriate things, to say things that maybe I fully believe, maybe I just think it's funny, but I know the judgment's not going to be there and there's camaraderie and to see some of what I've seen, it's like, oh.
It's almost like there's sleeper cells in our community, and I'm just , How did we not know?
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, I mean, I, it's definitely something that I am kicking myself over, you know, especially as a woman of color, just realizing how many times I've been like, we don't need to make a big issue about the
political stuff, because during the Biden years, we were kind of just
recovering, you know, from. The previous four years, and it was , in many ways, admittedly, just , easier to not make everything
political. But I think we just don't have that luxury. , I think we're realizing, , for me, I'm realizing, , I don't have any desire to make anyone feel safe if they're not gonna make me feel safe. It has to be a mutual, you know, agreement between both
parties. And if you're voting against my human rights, if you're voting against me existing as a human being, I don't owe you anything. I don't owe you a safe space. And just coming to terms with that.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I, I you want a safe space, you gotta go create it for yourself.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: It's it's not my job.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah. Especially because their existence or the votes for this man is encroaching on our safe space. give me my little footprint. My little footprint does not have to interfere with yours. And now you want more. Screw that. Absolutely not.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: for us as women. Period. Period. And for women of color, it's, it's, it's exponentially more of a risk, you
know? So yeah, we, we can't keep playing nice, this is non negotiable, period. Totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: the same. I was like, hey, let's ride the wave. Let's focus on fun and silly things or, just kind of just let it be. And that privileged place that I was in, I, I do look back and I can see moments where, oh, let's not say that. That's a little too controversial or that's a little bit too much. And hearing myself say that, I'm like, You're never too much.
There's no such thing.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Not to excuse anything, but I think for Kristen and I, and we've been talking about this this week, we already put a target on our back every day by being childfree content creators, and in a lot of ways why am I gonna add to the drama by adding this extra layer of things?
I don't know what I'm trying to say, but I think, you know, our hands are kind of up now, it is what it is.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely an interesting time to be a content creator in this space because it's, it's, you know, we haven't leaned into it before. I've been why engage the trolls? Why engage the minority? Let's just, let's just go on about our lives because we're going to win anyway. I kind of had this mentality of we were safe.
It was fine. 2016 was a blip and clearly that's not the case. So it really is, I think, yeah. For lack of better words, a come to Jesus moment about, , what do we stand for, and how far do we lean
in, and, you know, at what point do we say potentially this is not worth the risk to, to, our lives, our careers, , people are getting doxxed regularly, , you know, it's, it's a whole existential crisis, really, like
Erika was saying.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah. The what happens now, the what happens next. I, I was flying from the U. S. back here to Europe I was expecting everyone on the flight to be as invested in this election as I was. So, I was prepared for somebody to be connected to the internet, someone watching the news No.
Silence. Then, when we landed in London, I was expecting everyone's phones to be pinging and sobbing, cheering, excitement. Nothing. I'm guessing it was just a ton of English people who were just too subdued. And so I'm scurrying, wanting my phone to connect to cellular and it just wouldn't.
And I'm on the little, the bus that takes you from the plane to the, to the airport and it comes through and there were still five states that hadn't called it yet but it was very much leaning towards. And I started tearing up and I'm like, don't do this. You're in the middle of a group of people like, don't do this.
And I just, and then I just kept refreshing, come on, come on next state, come on next state and doing the math and panic started to set in of. I mean I can just feel it in my body right now just even thinking about it.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: What happened and then we were in the lounge Waiting for our next flight and I just started crying I was just how how are we here?
How can someone? How can anyone let alone 70 million people say that
The price of eggs is more important to them than, in my opinion, basic humanity. , Oh, I'm getting so rageful. I'm just
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I'm sorry, I refuse to believe the price of eggs thing.
That is complete bullsh*t. People can say that
all they want. That's not true.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: The price of
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: This country was founded on misogyny and racism. and
We will continue to be misogynistic and racist until I don't know when. But it's not, it's not eggs. I, I can tell you that.
The price of eggs was not cheaper under Trump. You know, , inflation is bad now, but he did not make the economy better. People are lying to themselves, truly. But whatever makes you feel
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Agreed. The economy, the, the price of eggs, the, you know, even just Everything related to finances. I, I agree, it's a way to lie to themselves in the same way that they lie to themselves and say, you know, he's a good Christian man.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Ugh.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: We we were just talking about this last night. Yeah.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: me a f*cking break.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Do you really think that Jesus would would be conservative? It makes no sense. It makes no sense. Why would, why would Jesus be , you know what? But the price of gas might be a little bit better. For instance. It doesn't make any
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: My mother is very religious and I grew up in the church and I, Had to do my own deconstruction. I know Erika, you've talked a little bit about that. And she's so interesting because she's also a socialist. And so she was polling in her local tiny North Carolina town, for Democrats and was completely just trying to say, , can we live as Jesus did?
I'm so proud of her. She gets so mad because she's like, that's not, that's not at all related to what the Bible says. So I can't even believe people who say that because I'm like, no, have you read it?
Anyway, that's a whole, I mean, that's a whole nother thing, but you know,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah,
totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I love when people want to bring up the Christianity piece, knowing that I'm agnostic at best because they think that they're going to have knowledge I don't have and I'm like, I read the Bible so that I could get free pizza in elementary school.
So, try me, you know,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, try me.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: like, oh,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: so
funny.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah. Yeah. It, it is. It is wild to think that, , basically it's been non stop chaos and trauma since 2016. And we keep hoping, , the next year is gonna get better. It's gonna give us hope again. And I think , we all remember where we were on Election
Day 2016, and the day after, especially, and we are all gonna remember that again with this
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: mhm.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: It's just sunk. It's, it's, oh, sunk into my bones.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: So it's interesting you say that. So you, how much of weeks and months after the 2016 election do either of y'all remember? Cause I don't, I think I blacked out. Like, I don't,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I remember like very explicitly those first that day that night and then the
next day. I remember very well.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I have that. But after
that, I don't have anything.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Oh yeah, no, I don't I don't have much either.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean there I don't know if I remember December. But January was Women's
March. There was a lot of stuff that was happening that does feel very vivid, but I don't remember. Yeah, it's, I mean, I think part of the problem too is , we've, we've taken in so much information over the
past
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: hmm.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: eight or nine years, especially, I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me during Trump's first term, you're consuming so much news that now when you see on TikTok, if somebody puts together a collage of things that happened during Trump's first term.
It's like, oh yeah, I forgot about that. , oh yeah, I forgot about that weird thing. Oh yeah, that's right, that did happen. And it's like, man, so much sh*t happened that it's , it's impossible to remember everything, you know? Because they're terrorists.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Mm hmm it makes me think of a magician, like, look at the shiny woman in the front and you're getting overwhelmed with all of that because I don't want you to see the, the real sinister, malicious sh*t that's happening.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Absolutely, yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: that was happening during the election too, where it was just , let me say
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Oh yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: the wall thing.
The news is covering that and they're not covering This thing that actually matters.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: yeah.
Project 2025 or whatever. Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I feel like y'all's episode on that is going to be so much, I mean, it was important in the first place, but I think it's going to be one of those that people come back to and go, wait a second. , What does this mean?
Or, you know, I didn't give it much thought.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I forgot we did that episode. We should re share that.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: You should!
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: How'd you, you forget? Yeah, no, truly. It's, it's that and with the 4B movement, episode I think those clips are going to be invaluable for, , understanding, , what could happen and your options as a woman to help prevent it from happening. So, yeah, project 2025, we were all hoping was something we could just . Give a little bit of energy to and swipe under the rug. Cause it wouldn't, it would be a non issue, but now we're faced with what, what from that document is actually going to be implemented and it's, it's It's horrifying.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: It's horrifying. And I wonder how y'all feel about this, because people have, I've entertained the thought, I don't know how much I believe what I'm saying, but I really hope on some level that the people who voted for Trump get exactly what they voted for. And then on the other hand, I'm like, yeah, but that also affects the rest of us.
But yeah, how do y'all feel about that? Like the idea of just , yeah, I really hope this affects you super fast, super clear, very obviously.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean, we were talking, I feel like this is so timely, because I mean, these are the conversations we're having too, and a lot of the policies that the right is pushing are, to your point, things that are going to affect them and their families immediately, and also their
world. , I'm scared. More than ever about climate change, especially in this new administration and what that means or, the tipping point of no
return. There's no hope for us and I don't think they fully comprehend that it's their children that are going to face the repercussions of these policies. So in a sense, yeah, I'm kind of like, great, you know what, how, and they do it so defiantly, they're , we're going to have more babies now, just to spite. You childfree people, so there's going to be more conservatives and less liberals. And I'm , so all of your eight children can experience climate change and be miserable? Fine. , You're only hurting yourself.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: And you're worried about inflation and you're worried about finances and you're worried about all of this stuff and then you're like, I'm just gonna have another, yeah, don't
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Gonna have another
kid. Yep. And also not support any of the social policies that would help me if I don't have the money to help my kids. It
just doesn't, it's, the logic is not
sound.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: No. I think this really reminds me I've been thinking a lot this week about If people have not read the book 'The Sum of Us" by Heather McGhee, I really highly recommend it. I think I I'm trying to remember, but I think I listened to an audiobook a couple years ago and I remember the audiobook being really good because I think she reads it herself.
But either way, read that book, add it to your list of books to read as we prepare for the next four years. But I think, , one thing that really stood out to me in that book that feels so true to what we're going through now is, , she talks about how During, , the civil rights era, for instance, , a lot of these predominantly white communities had such nice amenities for their communities.
She talks about, for instance, public pools, where the community would gather and, have this great resource that they could use. And instead of, desegregating the pools and making it free to use for everyone. These communities just decided to get rid of their public pools altogether so that they wouldn't have to combine communities. And then the whole community suffers because they lost this resource that was really useful and beneficial to the community. That's a perfect example for what we're about to live through is people just choosing to give up things that are beneficial to themselves, voting against their own interests in order to have something else that is not gonna serve you.
So Yeah, I don't know where exactly I'm going with this, but it's just people make such
stupid choices when racism and misogyny are involved, without thinking about the consequences. And I do think, the thing that f*cking sucks is, I don't the way that politics feels a sporting event. You know, and I think that's part of the shame of living in American politics is we see this as , I'm a Democrat, I'm a Republican, instead of seeing it as , these are the values I support. This is the kind of society I'm moving toward. And I think the real shame is , I think it's funny to say , Oh, I hope you get everything you want. But I know that it's going to harm
them. And I don't want them to suffer. , I don't want anyone to suffer. And it's just , so unfortunate to have to live through this time where, , being an empathetic person means that you grieve that your enemies are suffering. You know, it's, it f*cking sucks.
And
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I don't think enough people pay attention to or even acknowledge.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: totally, And I don't think that Republicans understand that we
feel this way. , I think they think we hate them. I don't hate you. I don't want you to suffer. And I'm trying to vote for your life as much as I'm voting for my life, but , they don't see it that way. And I don't understand how as a culture, we separate ourselves from this, us versus them mentality. Yeah, it just drives me crazy because they genuinely don't understand. That's how we feel. And I don't know what else we can say to get through to them.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Look, if we knew, I think the Democratic Party would have figured it out, but they've been struggling for a long time. Mm hmm.
Which is frustrating.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I bet there's some. Parallels between, , cult ideology and that side, because, , common sense doesn't work. Real data doesn't work.
, it's just brainwash,
honestly. A community of brainwash. And I keep harping on the climate change thing,
man, because not only does it, , hurt their descendants, their, their cherished bloodline, but also, , I just think of all the animals and all the species that are dying out from climate change, and I'm just like, what a sh*t world for them. For your kids to experience animals and the world and nature and it just, I mean that sounds very woo woo When you're talking about human issues, but I just feel so strongly that we're just f*cking
animals We're just more evolved animals, and we happen to be at the top of the food
chain.
And, For now. maybe some sharks will f*ckin become land sharks and kill us all. Because honestly
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: a dream.
a
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Oh, I thought Errico was gonna yell at me.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: No. Let us pray. Let
us join hands and
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: , We've had, we've done enough damage to this earth. And In the fact that, , humans think that they're better than another species just because they're more evolved, drives me nuts. Drives me nuts.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah, just because we've learned how to FaceTime doesn't mean that we are morally. Somehow superior to anything else, and it's, it's really interesting because I, I'm the same way when it comes to animals, I used, I grew up loving fireworks and now I cannot stand them because of the impact on people with PTSD and animals and all of that.
And I just see how, , speaking of the cult mentality and how facts. Don't do much from a psychological point of view. It's that The us versus them gives us just this. I need to defend. I need to defend without Thinking further. So it's from a brain standpoint. We're talking about your reptilian brain versus your frontal lobe and what the conservative party, I call them regressives, what the regressives have done is they've just kept everyone in that fear state.
So you can't use your frontal lobe. You can't use facts, logic, reasoning, executive functioning when you are afraid for your life. And that's what the rhetoric has been. And then you add on the fact that they've been dismantling public education and even, All education, which one of the things that, are now soon to be vice president has said is, I think it was him that was like, you have no stake in the future.
Or was that Musk? Somebody was ,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: No,
that was Shady Vance. Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: you don't have a stake in the future because you don't have kids. And it's like, I'm voting. So your kids aren't idiots. ,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Have some free breakfast, and a working mind and go learn some stuff. I don't know.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, tax the f*ck out of me if it means that your kids, have access to good education, free food, free healthcare. Like, great.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Mm hmm.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: My
blood is boiling. I know. It just drives me f*cking crazy, you know?
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: The reason I asked about do you remember this couple months after 2016 is I have some clients who are first time voters. Or second time voters. So they didn't have a vote during 2016. So I have one client, she was , I was just a kid.
And I'm wanting to kind of give a view. Hey, this is what happened. I had conversations like this where everyone's sobbing for a week. Afterward, And then this happened. I don't even remember. I just, I don't remember. Did the stress drop? Did it stay high for four years? Was it a roller coaster?
I think I just shoved it out of my mind because it was so horrific to even think about that it happened.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I think Erika and I had very opposite responses to the Trump administration. I think that was honestly, , my real first reaction. Realization of , Oh, politics to me are kind of bullsh*t.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Okay.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: , I mean, that was my reaction. I know that's probably not the right thing to say publicly, but I really was like, I'm going to turn off all the news because this does not serve me.
It does not make me feel better. I'm going to vote. I'm going to show up and vote, but it's ruining my life and it's making me hate people. And so I, I kind of turned it off and I said, you know what? This was a blip. We f*cked up. We didn't, we didn't show up. You know, the right way, the voting booths, and next, next time we're gonna be more prepared. So I really thought, , It was just a momentary lapse in judgment. Oops, let me just turn all this off and surround myself with peace. And then when Biden got elected, that revival of hope again. And feeling justified, , oh yeah, that was just a blip. That was just a mistake of a, of a voting day and voting turnout for Trump. But I feel like Erika leaned in. More than me.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, I mean, I think for me, , during the first Trump presidency, that was really a wake up call for me of, , the need for activism. again, , a lot of it was because I started to realize how existential it was to my life as a woman of color. And so I was protesting. I was calling my representatives on a weekly, if not daily basis, I was being very mindful about how I was spending my money and, the ways that I was doing my part to educate people around me. And I think a lot of that. just fell off during the Biden administration, unfortunately. , but also makes sense that for a lot of us who were in the activist space through Trump's presidency, we were
f*cking tired by the time Biden got elected. And it was , the last thing you want to do is keep organizing. And, this is nobody's individual fault. But I think that, , as a society, Especially as childfree people, because we do have more disposable income, we do have more free time, we need to be thinking on a daily basis about, , where our impact is gonna be made. And I think we think a lot of times that, , politics is just, and this is not a criticism to Kristen or what she just said, I think this is just, , true of American life, is , I think we think, , okay, every four years I turn out and vote, but important. What's equally and potentially even more important is what you do in between those four years. And Yeah, just making sure that it's not just I show up once I do my civic duty and then I disappear again. We have to be more vigilant. And part of that is because, a lot of what the Trump administration tried to do during the first term failed because people were paying attention.
They were activated. They were standing up to be a bulwark to his administration and to hold them
accountable. And that's going to be
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: it's,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Even more important now that they hold every lever of power in our government.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I would like it on record that I do some I did phone bank. I did go door to door.
l
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: not, not at all a
critisim,
living as an American in late stage capitalism is f*cking
exhausting. None of us have an ounce of energy left, but , we got to figure something out. Unfortunately, because the status quo is not working for anyone.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: the, it's, it's not working, and you were talking about just showing up every four years. One of the scariest things for me, especially as a woman, especially as a childfree woman, is that the, the judges that were put in place during his last presidency and the ones that he'll put in this presidency, I mean, in my opinion, maybe I'm being a little too dramatic, but that's, that's Dozens of decades worth of impact, if not, you know, a hundred years plus of impact of just when you have that many people on the low level to the top level making decisions that no one's paying attention to because it's somebody you never even knew held a position and they're making these decisions and it's, we're already seeing the impact of his. future administration is everybody just thinks they can do whatever the f*ck they want to do and that there's no repercussions at least those in the regressive mindset and I think Those that are more progressive we do we were nice and kind and empathetic and we want to make sure we're making at least my Generalization viewpoint me maybe I don't want to go and just bulldoze my way through, and I think that's gotten us to where we are, is that some people are like, yeah, we can bulldoze our way through, and we don't care, because it doesn't impact me, or I can shut it off and not think about the implications, and that, I think that's going to be the biggest thing, is that can we get, not just louder, but can we get more traction behind the noise?
don't know what that looks like.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, no, totally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: It's scary. Have y'all heard about what happened in Australia with the woman who was turned away for her abortion?
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: No, I've seen some stuff on Australia, but I don't, that's not, that's not
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: So,
someone sent me a DM and I was like, is that true? So, I read at least one article. Take it for what you will. That even though it is legal to get an abortion in Australia, a woman was told that she, that her procedure was cancelled. And then she went and made a big deal out of it because it was legal, this was scheduled, this is healthcare, I'm here for my healthcare procedure.
And a doctor took it on themselves to be like, nah. You can't. And I just am like, we're not even a week out and we have global implications of what happens when you give someone permission to do whatever the f*ck they want without consequence.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I hate existing. Yea, clearly that is happening around the United States every day.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: control to plan B to abortions, sterilization. I liked the days where we felt we were the progressives as a whole country, whether we were or not, I don't know. But at least we had this mindset of freedom and everybody's individual freedom to do what they want and what's right for them.
And the whole world is going more
conservative. I mean, so many countries, even when I look at, , okay, well, I have dual citizenship in the EU, where should I go? And then I look at the EU and I'm like, ugh, none of those look great. , no options look good right now. So to be, such a powerhouse of, , an economic force that is now aligning with conservative values, it just really does not bode well for the rest of the world.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I've been thinking about that for a long time. You were speaking earlier about knowing people in your community who are more conservative than, than you are. And I have friends who are in Austin, Texas, and Wilmington, North Carolina, And they're like, no, Trump is never going to get elected.
This is just, sensationalism. It's never going to happen. Everyone I know is voting for Hillary, et cetera. And I'm like, yeah, but you only know progressive people. You only know, this small community. And, and as soon as Brexit happened, I was like, we're in trouble because we were supposed to be.
Like you said, the more progressive ones.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, Erika and I have been talking about that a lot.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: It's really unfortunate that , we have not learned from our history and the rise of authoritarians during World War II.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Mm-Hmm.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: It's just, it's a shame, you know, society just repeats itself and we don't learn, Do you like how earlier I was , Oh, we gotta, we gotta organize.
We gotta be activists. And now I'm like, humans, they suck. They don't learn. They
don't read history. They don't read books.
And we're f*cked.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: It's just that exhaustion set again. You were just , okay, cortisol spike, and then you're like, I need a nap. . can't, I've been doing this for too
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: long.
This has fully been the last couple of days. Yeah.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: what's interesting is , yes, we have a playbook for history repeating itself, we literally have basically a map for us to tell us what will happen when these key indicators happen. But what is interesting is, , we live now in a world where there's internet
and social media and influences that have never existed before in history. And I, I don't think anybody would have predicted that access to, in theory, more education, internet at your fingertips, community at your fingertips would have led to a negative thing,
in my opinion, I'm not an expert,
but I don't think we truly have comprehended what the echo chambers we've created in our internet feeds is doing to the way we approach people and policies.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah. That's a great
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: That's a really great point. It's, it's so easy to stick your head in the sand and you can live in a really big town, city, massive, and then you still surround yourself with basically people who are just like you. And that's not any different than living in a teeny tiny town in the middle of nowhere.
Just better take away, you know, that's about it. So,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: well, this, I don't know.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Well how you're having EU though, right?
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I mean, it's pretty lovely. I got pretty, pretty drunk at a wine fest yesterday for a total of 20 euros. So it was great.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Wow.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: expat community there or what's that
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: There are a ton of immigrants here from all throughout the world. Primarily the, the major immigrants are from Brazil, but there's a good amount of people from the U S, lots
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Well, they speak Portuguese, right? Is that what the
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: And they have an easier way because it used to be a colony. So they have an easier,
Path to get to residency.
But there are a fair amount of people from the U. S. Lots and lots of people from India and England and, some other E. U. countries. So.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Wow. Interesting.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: it's it's, what's interesting is I thought I would have a greater Portuguese community and I'm slowly building that up but it hasn't been as easy.
Not just from a language point of view, because I'm in Lisbon, English is a fairly common language here, just more of culture and things like that. So I think that's kind of a growing thing. You were saying nowhere's really kind of this very progressive place, but I will say that One of the biggest things that I notice about living here versus whenever I go back to the States is how safe I feel As soon as I land in the u.
s. I can feel that woman's spidey sense of You only have one earbud in. You are holding your purse close to yourself. You're being super, super aware of your surroundings. And here You see every person wearing over the ear headphones or both headphones in, on the metro, running, just all kinds of things.
I'm not afraid if I hear a loud bang. I'm not afraid of what that loud bang is. The safety here is just absolutely incredible I leave my window open
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: wow.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Get some air flow. It's just
super, super safe. Yeah.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: That's crazy.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Me and my husband are in a constant battle because he wants to leave the windows open at night when we sleep and I've seen too many murder shows. I know this is how we all
die. , I cannot.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: It's, it's remarkable. how much better fresh air is. I forgot about that until I moved here. And I was , oh, the air's nice. You know?
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Wow. Okay. I have one more question for you. , do you feel since the election in particular that you made the right choice to move?
12
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: million percent. I don't think I would be as, I would be unwell. If I still lived in the States after this election, because in 2016, I slept for 30 minutes and then woke up sobbing the night of the election. And I really do think I just blacked out after 48 hours and I don't remember until inauguration, I'd have no recollection of that time and being here .
I have more energy to do the, advocating and doing more of the work because it doesn't feel like I'm experiencing the fallout right now, so I have a little bit more energy than the like, sh*t, like
my neighborhood is against me, that kind of feeling I don't
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Mm hmm.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Right.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: So,
it, it,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, I, I read.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I was going to say, I, I understand people who are like, I want to move now and that are going to make those steps to actually do it when they didn't do it before.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah. Yeah, I read on Reddit, and it's been sticking with me, and I'm gonna butcher it, but somebody said, , when you're worried about, , your literal safety and, , your health, you don't have a lot of energy and power to organize and to, , fight. And, , this is probably purposeful to, , let women, in particular, fear for their sense of safety. And, They'll always, they'll never be on top if they're always in this state of , fight or flight.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a, from a psychological point of view, there's something called Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and the bottom one is what we're facing, right? When you have a fear of scarcity of food, scarcity of housing, scarcity of physical, well being, you can't think of anything past that.
Yeah. And. What's crazy is Erika, you mentioned this capitalistic bull that we live in. We have both of these happening some people are, I don't know how I'm going to save any money. And then we're being dangled the new device or the new thing to buy or, and it's at odds with each other.
And I think it's so easy sometimes to just forget that Yes, there are people who have a lot of stuff, but there's a lot more people who don't have basic needs and that's what breaks my heart. That's what is so difficult for me is knowing that people who didn't have two dimes, they're worse off.
The people who had millions, if they're a little bit worse off, okay, cool. But, it just, I, I, that part I can't. That hurts my heart.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: So,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: No, definitely.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: it's a bonus of living here. There's not as many homeless people. So, that makes it easier than there were in Texas, so.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: The evil social services.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: give you something to
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: No. Yeah. We gotta get outta here. I
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I keep trying to convince Erika to come with me. I'm like, let's go! Let's get out of this
place and organize from abroad and do our childfree content without feeling like we're going to get
Murdered.
Literally.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I mean, it looked y'all love Switzerland. Y'all should just move there.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I would
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Isn't it hard to move to Switzerland? Or
no?
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: don't know.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: There is a, there's a handshake agreement with the EU where you can live and work there but it's not, you wouldn't have Swiss citizenship per se.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Hmm.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Handshake agreement, but yeah, we could look into it.
Erika, I
mean,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Maybe we look into it. I did love Switzerland. It was so
beautiful.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: should, y'all just look at all the countries I didn't. Because my list was warm. So , I didn't even look. ,
Portugal
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: No, far
north
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: as I want
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Ireland
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: is top of my list.
Canada is , maybe second. Yeah, I want somewhere
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: No.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: yeah, yeah.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: If
Iceland
had better food, if Iceland had better food for
vegetarians,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: hmm.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: a vegetarian too. Yeah, that's also, it's hard here. Portuguese food is fish heavy. Very, very fish
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: The food in
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I, I'm a fish girl.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: bomb.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: There's another checkmark for Switzerland.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I know.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: like, let's figure this out. Let's, let's
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: You
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: The most expensive
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I know, I know, I know,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: the, in Europe,
but
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: know, just get a job there and make Swiss money.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: that's right.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: it'll work out. It'll be fine.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: It'll balance.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: hey, figure out what you got to figure out, right? You know, just stop eating your avocado toast and you can make it work. It's
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, exactly.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yep.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Oh my gosh. I, I would say I could talk about this all day, but I think I might get a little, you know, $uicid@l if I did. So, oh,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: we got to compartmentalize a little
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: car pa pa pa pa. Let's car Compartmentalize. Goodness.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I
know, I
wanted to see if I could say it.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Let's just kind of put that in a box for a second.
And end on a note that is a little bit more hope filled and fun filled, which feels weird. We didn't get a chance to talk about, , how do we return to our regular programming in life when know, there's a cluster happening. But let's shift into that. And I would love to hear from y'all about what's going on with Dinky and in your world.
All of the fun things that y'all have coming up.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, so we're taking a trip to Egypt. Well, I am, Kristen's not coming. But,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I, yeah.
did you not know that? It's just Erika's trip. Maggie's face as she was
jaw dropped. Yeah, I could barely survive Switzerland with the time changes and the days off work for my
full time job and all that. So anyway, Erika's
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I wondered why I kept seeing, , Erika and her husband, and I was , oh, okay, so Kristen's just going solo. , that was how it was in my brain.
Okay.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Nope, nope, now you
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Oh, man.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Kristen is outseas.
So yeah, it'll be me and my husband taking a group of, I mean, hopefully we still have the trip, we're pretty close 20 dinks and sinks, to Egypt for a seven day adventure where we'll see a lot of the, , old archaeology and all the fun sites, the Sphinx. The Pyramids of Giza,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: A Nile River Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to that. I think it will be a lot of fun. And the crew so far seems really cool.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: And you have some repeaters from your Switzerland trip, right?
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah, I think we have Three
repeaters? two.
Yeah, I think that there's three. And there's still, I think, one or two girls who are , maybe I'll Do it.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Get off that fence.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I feel , truly, at this point, just f*cking do
it. You know?
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Also, let me tell you, the Swiss girls, we love the Swiss girls
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: my god.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: trip. And I think just the value of, , us having a Discord group, that is, literally, 13 minutes ago was the last comment. It's constantly
just a a group of us girls from the trip just talking, talking, talking and it's been so invaluable, especially during this time with the, with the
election,
to
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: all keep saying that.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: to, and all of us are just , oh man, what a relief to have that.
community of girls you can
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah. It's something I talk about all the time. Learning how to take your online friends and then turn them into in real life ride or dies, is what the childfree community is so good at doing.
And we see this across platforms and we see this, just with people who are saying Not only do I want to go on a group trip, right, with Switzerland, but I want to stay in contact in our group chat, and I want to go see y'all again in Egypt.
And I think that's just, I think that's so freaking cool, and I just love that so many people are realizing that you don't have to just feel alone. If you think you're the only person in your town, , go to Egypt and meet a bunch of people.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Right.
And let me
tell you, community is going to be more important over the next
four years than ever before, so.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: And our
community is going to grow more than ever before. . So many people now are opting out of having kids, at least per the online communities
I'm in.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: and being louder about it and making those permanent sterilization choices versus the maybe, sorta, kinda, in the future, I think that's, that speaks volumes to where people have been in, in the consideration stage and, and all of that kind of stuff. So, I,
I will put links to Egypt. yeah,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: That really
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: course. Yes. Y'all just also got onto YouTube so you can subscribe to them.
I'll put that link as well. I Don't listen to a lot of of course. I don't listen to a lot of podcasts even though I host one Because I want to feel like I'm hanging out with friends. I don't want to learn stuff I know that sounds terrible but
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Listen to our podcast if you don't want to learn stuff, Cosign. This message has been endorsed by Dinky.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Oh, man. Oh, again, I'm just going to blame that it's late at night. Anyway, oh.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: No, we love it. We love
it. we've we've sat here and been so depressing for the past hour or so. I really appreciate you ending on a light note.
That was
great.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Oh, thank you all so much. And hopefully we can stay in touch and chat
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: yeah, you
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: we'll see you in
Portugal.
you know,
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: would say,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: when we move
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I would say y'all should come on the trip I'm hosting, but it's going to be in Bali. It's too hot for y'all. So.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: No, Yeah, nope, but
that sounds great.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I know.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: You know. Conceptually, that
sounds
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I think you'd melt. I think you would just,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yes.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: We would be just no fun to
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean, even Egypt is a hot, is
a hot place, But
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: But we're intentionally going during cold season.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah.
I mean, there's, we went to Mexico last year it was hot. I'm like, give it to me. Give me all the sun.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Wow.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: I mean, built for that.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: in theory, I could get Egyptian citizenship but. I would die. I would die.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: I'm of the opinion currently, get it if you can, if you don't have to use it, amazing. ,
I wasn't sure if I
was going to get Portuguese citizenship. I was like, we'll move every couple of years. Nope. I want, I want this passport so bad
just in
case.
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: before we go back down that road,
thank y'all so much. I, this has been so fun. No, it hasn't. This has been a great conversation. This is,
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: It has been a great
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah. I agree.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: and a much needed conversation, truly,
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Thanks for letting us trauma dump. Appreciate it.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: really.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Absolutely. And to do it without an invoice.
Yes, there you go.
Free
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: If you need to bill us, that's okay. We understand.
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Any final thoughts
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: All I can think about right now is just , girlies, , protect your
peace, you know, be kind to yourself, find your communities. If you have trouble finding communities, DM us. We're happy to help put you in touch with people or get you, Moving in the right direction just hang in there.
We're all in this
erika_1_11-10-2024_100433: Yeah,
maggie_1_11-10-2024_180433: Yeah,
we are. And that's the power of community. So thank you so much for being on the Unapologetically Childfree™️ podcast today. And hopefully we'll talk soon.
dinky-pod_1_11-10-2024_100433: Thank you! This was awesome!